TYRANT'S C:SI EXPLOIT Wherein a few of us C:SI regulars discuss a relatively new exploit with Tyrant Laffer, who appears to be teaching it to all of this students. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ARISHIA NISHI: Did you fight Qooy tonight? ZANG ZAFTIG: i haven't Arishia Nishi: Ive never fought him CHAT RANGE: Qooy Loon, Tyrant Laffer Zang Zaftig: me either COMBAT ANNOUNCEMENTS: Tyrant Laffer has been diced by Qooy Loon TYRANT LAFFER: gf QOOY LOON: gf Ready YOU SHOUT: Hello Kasumi Tyrant Laffer: rdy HASHI SHOUTS: hey you! NEARBY AVATARS: Ees Okey Combat Announcements: Qooy Loon has utterly destroyed Tyrant Laffer in a pitched battle Qooy Loon: Ready Chat Range: Bambii Boucher Qooy Loon: gf Combat Announcements: Qooy Loon has hastened Tyrant Laffer's journey to the next life Chat Range: Harukko Deadlight Nearby Avatars: Harukko Deadlight Chat Range: Kasumi Hashi FREEBSDD ALLEN: ?? Chat Range: Bambii Boucher freebsdd Allen: i dont hear Chat Range: Ees Okey ROBBYRACOON OLMSTEAD: hehe... HELLO! AIMEE CONGREJO: It might take a sec for the sound to load ^^ Chat Range: Qooy Loon, Tyrant Laffer KASUMI HASHI: hi everyone =) Hi Robby BAMBII BOUCHER: eep Aimee Congrejo: Heyas Kasumi! ^^ EES OKEY: OOOOWWWEEEEEEUH! Aimee Congrejo: *catsneeze~~* Kasumi Hashi: are you taking a break Dr Frankenstein? freebsdd Allen: lool i hear it Bambii Boucher: sorry Eees Tyrant Laffer: wait RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Yeah.... >( NISHI SHOUTS: hello Kasumi ;) Hashi shouts: hi Ari! Tyrant Laffer: fight kusami Ees Okey: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo problem =) Tyrant Laffer: if your up to it Qooy Loon: O_O! She is better as me more more mroe RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Kasumi... Wanna see a pick of Archanox with his face knocked off? Kasumi Hashi: i saw it on your blog, lol Qooy Loon: but np Kasumi Hashi: i actually check it every day RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Oh.... Yay! Wow, hehe. You are one of the very few, then, haha. Aimee Congrejo: Woooo! I got almost as much crap on my back as Ees now! ^^ RobbyRacoon Olmstead: O.o Ees Okey: Neat! Kasumi Hashi: And pretend I can understand the stuff about the bots Aimee Congrejo: ^^ Great for blowing stuff up RobbyRacoon Olmstead: You and me both, Kasumi, haha. Kasumi Hashi: lol Ees Okey: Ooo I have matches.... Kasumi Hashi: Haru thinks you should become a Linden Aimee Congrejo: Yeeeeek! Kasumi Hashi: and fix SL for us RobbyRacoon Olmstead: That quote today very nicely sums up how I'm feeling about bots right now, lol. Ees Okey: And a skateboard, but... no bombs! RobbyRacoon Olmstead: That would take all the fun out of it... Qooy Loon: some 1 spar me plz` Ees Okey: I can Qooy if you wanna. Tyrant Laffer: qooy names Qooy Loon: sure ready Kasumi Hashi: I guess I do use SL so I have something to complain about So you're right freebsdd Allen: cool hair Qooy Loon: Im Qooy The Vagabond Samurai Tyrant Laffer: get her qooy Qooy Loon: ready Tyrant Laffer: !! Qooy Loon: O_O! Ready RobbyRacoon Olmstead: I doubt the Lindens do much in-world, really... Some of the problems are so damned obvious I'm always surprised it takes them a week to recognize them, and I'm often completely flabbergasted when they say it's fixed. They can't spend much time in SL, IMO Tyrant Laffer: bull ish Chat Range: Ees Okey, Qooy Loon Aimee Congrejo: Yah, Torley spends a lot of time in SL...but he's the only one I've seen in person... Tyrant Laffer: the lindens are geeks w money using us RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Torley is different. IN many ways. And actually seems excited about SL... Tyrant Laffer: id rob em normally Kasumi Hashi: I know you have a lot on your plate but I really think you should take a break from all of it and fix SL yeah, she seems ever opptimistic Aimee Congrejo: Yah, I love Torley...I spent a lot of time in Jira and Torley has thanke me numerous times via email for helping him triage...and he's always so excited when I meet up with him inworld RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Maybe during lunch, yeah ;) Chat Range: Harukko Deadlight RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Torley is how I found out about C:SI.... Tyrant Laffer: go qooy! Combat Announcements: Ees Okey was defeated by Qooy Loon Ees Okey: Good fight Qooy Loon: gf Ready HARUKKO DEADLIGHT: hiya all Ees Okey: /ao off Rdy RobbyRacoon Olmstead: wb Harukko Harukko Deadlight: boddy robby !!!!!!!!!!!! omg ime meh Tyrant Laffer: funny thing is I tought him exploits Chat Range: Qooy Loon, Ees Okey Tyrant Laffer: not known ones Combat Announcements: Qooy Loon was defeated by Ees Okey Chat Range: Ees Okey Ees Okey: Bah what's with you launching yourself into people's faces at lightspeed, Qooy? Rdy Chat Range: Qooy Loon RobbyRacoon Olmstead: That has been goign around, lagtely... Aimee Congrejo: Yah, Robby, like what's up with the hyperflight crap? Like when I spar I'm all over the damn sim RobbyRacoon Olmstead: It is nuts. Some people are doing it intentionally though. Aimee Congrejo: Sounds dumb but is there some diff between the Windows viewer and the Mac viewer? RobbyRacoon Olmstead: And it drives me nuts! Tyrant Laffer: go qooy!! Aimee Congrejo: Cuz I'm on Mac and I can't even jumpslash normally...it always does that wonky fly around thing RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Lame... Dunno, that could be. Aimee Congrejo: And like this...I'm gonna jump and turn midair without even jumpslashing and I'm all over Chat Range: Qooy Loon RobbyRacoon Olmstead: durn. Combat Announcements: Ees Okey has been diced by Qooy Loon Ees Okey: Umm no that's very much a planned move and I'll be stopping the duels now =) Aimee Congrejo: Sorry Tyrant... Qooy Loon: wah Tyrant Laffer: yeah boy!hehe np Ees Okey: Sorry guy but duelers rule cheaters droolz. Aimee Congrejo: Just showing Robby how messed SL physics are for me LOL Tyrant Laffer: lol Qooy Loon: Ees Im sorry Aimee Congrejo: Oh, and robby, check this one out...watch what happens out of block sometimes... Arishia Nishi: sorry Qooy Loon: blow Ees Okey: Hmmm.... Qooy Loon: but plz dont taking in the spar I cant see Im sorry Aimee Congrejo: So what's up with that? LOL RobbyRacoon Olmstead: That was.... Odd. Aimee Congrejo: Yah...happens if you fat finger back and jump at the same time when you let go of block Happens to Tatsuki all the time when she still used to use arrowkeys Qooy Loon: ?? Arishia? sapr? why u draw u sword on me Ees Okey: /ao on Qooy Loon: O_O! Tyrant Laffer: haku!! Aimee Congrejo: Stupid SL Qooy Loon: sorry RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Hmmm... Qooy Loon: u want spar? RobbyRacoon Olmstead: How do you do that again? And can you do it without swords? Tyrant Laffer: anna fight? Aimee Congrejo: I can't do that particular one without the swords... Qooy Loon: O_O! Ready Aimee Congrejo: But to repro with the blades, do this: Qooy Loon: say ready u ready? plz Arishia Nishi: ready Qooy Loon: ^^ Aimee Congrejo: Hold block, then hold back and jump while holding block, then let go of block with back and jump pressed together Chat Range: Arishia Nishi Qooy Loon: Mmmm Chat Range: Arishia Nishi Qooy Loon RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Gah! Sorry about that. Aimee Congrejo: You can do the same thing forwards *sometimes* Hold c, while c is held press w and e together, then let go of c while w and e are still pressed. Then immediately mouseclick w for a boostslash LOL Combat Announcements: Qooy Loon has been diced by Arishia Nishi Qooy Loon: wow Arishia Nishi: gf fall down RobbyRacoon Olmstead: wow Aimee Congrejo: All sorts of wacky SL physics that kick in when the blade is attached you can't do without C:SI Qooy Loon: I can fell down ^^ Arishia Nishi: ty Kasumi Hashi: Qooy, may I duel with you after Ari? Qooy Loon: ready Aimee Congrejo: Also, same weird boostjump thing happens if you jump while running forward then hit and hold jump when you land...you boost across the sim like 10m or 100m *50m or 100m RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Interesting.... I wonder, though, if it's an artifact of the messed up controls that SL implemented recently. Qooy Loon: Koi Aimee Congrejo: Nope, been happing for months *happening Just worse lately Qooy Loon: Ready Kasumi Hashi: ready RobbyRacoon Olmstead: yeah... I wanna see Kasumi and Qooy Ees Okey: There. He just did it. RobbyRacoon Olmstead: yeah. Chat Range: Qooy Loon Kasumi Hashi Harukko Deadlight: hya ty Tyrant Laffer: hey haru Chat Range: Qooy Loon Tyrant Laffer: I said Id show you some thing how bout it Aimee Congrejo: Haru, did the robots and meatpeople beat the scientologists? ^^ Chat Range: Qooy Loon, Kasumi Hashi Combat Announcements: Qooy Loon has been diced by Kasumi Hashi Qooy Loon: ,, Kasumi Hashi: good fight Qooy Loon: lol nice ^^ Kasumi Hashi: Qooy, how do you move so fast on those attacks Qooy Loon: .. Kasumi Hashi: when you move forward Ees Okey: I'd give the right answer on this one Qooy =) Kasumi Hashi: its 3 or 4x faster than a dash and you can attack while doing it how is that done? Aimee Congrejo: Kasumi, weird SL bugs that are getting worse lately Qooy Loon: is a Slide Slash technik Chat Range: Tyrant Laffer Kasumi Hashi: how does that technik work? Qooy Loon: plz as my sensei Tyrant Ees Okey: There's a difference between accidentally experiencing a bug and exploiting a bug however, Aimee... Tyrant Laffer: whats up Aimee Congrejo: Ees, exactly... Ees, that's why I was mentioning them to Robby just now Tyrant Laffer: so Kasumi Hashi: does anyone else know how thats done? Aimee Congrejo: Kasumi...yes... Tyrant Laffer: I do Nearby Avatars: Brenna Beck Tyrant Laffer: I showed him Ees Okey: So perhaps that's not what Tokugawa would like to see happen around here, is my guess. RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Aimee... On the other hand, I've had people do that to me 20 times in a fight, on purpose. Aimee Congrejo: I finally figured it out the other nite cuz I've been doing it accidentally for weeks And it was pissing me off Tyrant Laffer: yeah so Kasumi Hashi: Tyrant, you are too innovative for your own good =\ RobbyRacoon Olmstead: hehe Aimee Congrejo: But yah, Kasumi...check it... Chat Range: Brenna Beck Tyrant Laffer: hey I made up thesoe moves RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Aimee, slash when you do it. Kasumi Hashi: yeah, that happens to me when i mess up a mus jump slash Tyrant Laffer: I gotta back em Qooy Loon: is the same jump aslh BRENNA BECK: hiya robby :) Qooy Loon: ^^ Kasumi Hashi: like after i get stuck on the ground Aimee Congrejo: Robby, I can't repro the boostslash...lemme see if I can do it Qooy Loon: Slide SLASH!!!! Aimme Chat Range: Aimee Congrejo Tyrant Laffer: come on you arnt that good qooy Qooy Loon: lol ^^ RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Hello Brenna :) Aimee Congrejo: Can't repro right now Bambii Boucher: So how is it done Qooy? thast the question Aimee Congrejo: OK got it Tyrant Laffer: hey qooy if you can teach it sure Qooy Loon: teach what Ees Okey: I mean you wouldn't want to be known as somebody who's using a technique that gives you an unfair advantage in a duel, right Qooy? Tyrant Laffer: hehe Qooy Loon: sure But I cant show Aimee Congrejo: Sorry about that Bambii Boucher: why not? Qooy Loon: coz is Clan sreact... Im sorry Tyrant Laffer: ood can you instruct? Qooy Loon: my sensei tell me Aimee Congrejo: LOL Bambii Boucher: you can fluently do it Tyrant Laffer: good Ees Okey: Because he wants to have an unfair advantage in a duel. *shrugs and drags her cig* Qooy Loon: Im sorry Aimee Congrejo: OK SInce Qooy Won't tell Qooy Loon: but is Kodex Aimee Congrejo: Press and hold block Arishia Nishi: who is your sensei? Tyrant Laffer: I am the best teacher Aimee Congrejo: While yer holding block, hold down forward and jump Qooy Loon: Thanx Aimee Aimee Congrejo: While forward and jump are held down release block That'll put you into a weird physics forward jump Kasumi Hashi: Unfortunately there isnt a hard rule against this kind of thing, like what defines and exploit, but usually if it resembles something banned, like for example a move enhancer... so if a move has move enhancer like effects, its probably an exploit.. same with anything that counter acts how the system should be balanced.. so that move would probably go under the dirty/exploit category.. i think.. Aimee Congrejo: *Immediately* mousebutton slash like you were doing a jumpslash Takes a *lot* of practice to get right But once you getit you get it Tyrant Laffer: well kasumi Harukko Deadlight: hiya all lol i was buys in ims Tyrant Laffer: I asked you if it was unfair Harukko Deadlight: tis unfair Kasumi Hashi: you were showing me this wile jump last time though that looked completely useless and i said i didnt know lol Tyrant Laffer: So I didnt do it right Harukko Deadlight: well theres a thing Kasumi Hashi: im just saying from my perspective thats my own rule of thumb i guess on whats clean and what isnt Tyrant Laffer: agreed unfair so ban it Bambii Boucher: well maybe your Sensei will share with us, who is he or she? Harukko Deadlight: i mean i dotn ,minde people usoing all the space bar andwhatever thet want Aimee Congrejo: Yah, my problem with it is that stupid boostflight thing happens by accident and punts me all over the damn mat and I land like 50m away... Tyrant Laffer: then tell em I made it :) Aimee Congrejo: Bambii...I just explained it. ^^ Brenna Beck: i beleieve its gimmicky and not representative of skill Arishia Nishi: yes, who is your sensei that taught you this? Harukko Deadlight: but its stillll shit Kasumi Hashi: lol, you come up with all these moves =P like the block bump, and that weird jump Bambii Boucher: tried it lol Kasumi Hashi: at least you are creative, lol Tyrant Laffer: So you havent banned em all Harukko Deadlight: me ? the block bumps are accidents from sl pysics Kasumi Hashi: well the only things that are "banned" are using scripts and outside aids... anything else is kinda frowned on i guess... Tyrant Laffer: you see they are banned because people cant use em good like csi Kasumi Hashi: im talking to Tyr Tyrant Laffer: some people suck some are good Harukko Deadlight: i dont rely one shitty physics Kasumi Hashi: We have a dev right here! Tyrant Laffer: there are always exploits Harukko Deadlight: o0ke spar anyones THen? Tyrant Laffer: so wheres my shirt Aimee Congrejo: *ooof* Hi Haru! Kasumi Hashi: right, but the thing is, if you exploit exploits, i guess its up to the devs to be made aware, and if it cant be eliminated, then its sorta a situation where you spend your respect points to get hit points RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Well.... I am mulling... But.... Gut reaction is that it is dirty... Harukko Deadlight: spars anyones ? Tyrant Laffer: so what if you invent exploits whats the differnce see you say exploijt because you exploit someone Aimee Congrejo: Yah Robby, and what worries me is when I do it accidentally all the time people will think I'm cheating. My jumpslashes always turn into these boostflight fly around the sim things :( Tyrant Laffer: I say there is always someone better Kasumi Hashi: lol... no, you exploit the intended balance of the system Tyrant Laffer: we all exploit is my point Harukko Deadlight: wharevers Kasumi Hashi: not exploit someone cause you beat them hehe Harukko Deadlight: UGH Tyrant Laffer: one at a time RobbyRacoon Olmstead: I understand that, Aimee... But I had someone do that to me CONSTANTLY recently... It was very damned annoying! Harukko Deadlight: if no one accepts you are all punkls Tyrant Laffer: I remeber no jump strike Harukko Deadlight: just asccept it Kasumi Hashi: no, we dont... Tyrant, an exploit = a move that gets around the balance of the system, and the balance of the system is what the sword are intended to do in the SL environment Tyrant Laffer: It ws un heardof Ees Okey: I second wharevers Harukko Deadlight: lol i can do what want i Tyrant Laffer: no one seen it cause no one could do it I was a space bar fighter Harukko Deadlight: its ok if jout afriad of me ty RobbyRacoon Olmstead: ... O.o Harukko Deadlight: i doung touhc space Tyrant Laffer: I was an exploit victem you could say Harukko Deadlight: ask k as Aimee Congrejo: Harukko, I'm damn afraid of you but it doesn't keep me from fighting you. LOL Harukko Deadlight: i dont fucking pukll thats shit Tyrant Laffer: because I used space evey day and someone didnt like it Harukko Deadlight: loll oh i kow you spacing RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Spacebar is an exploit. There is no grey area there. Tyrant Laffer: I dont think youed whine if I used space Harukko Deadlight: and it doesnt mean shit Tyrant Laffer: so i know moves and I teach em Harukko Deadlight: it pwn it just lik ny exploiut you can think of ill fuck em all over with pure ski;; skill Kasumi Hashi: ok, anyway... i guess my point is you cant ban something that can happen on accident, like the two hit auto combo... its an exploit, but you cant police it cause people go on witch hunts and it ends up being stupid.. i guess if you want my 2 cents though, people that find short cuts dont tend to get much respect for their ability, even though they win... if you look at the different reps of someone that uses moves most consider dirty, vs someone that doesnt, the latter is respected while the other is kinda looked at negatively... and i guess thats the consequence.. so i dont think it will be "banned" here Tyrant Laffer: qooycan you beat haru? Harukko Deadlight: XD Qooy Loon: no ^^ she stong ^^ Ees Okey: But I thought the actual definition of an exploit was finding a hole in the code and using it to your advantage... spacebar's a built-in SL feature, it's not even part of the swordscript so is that really an exploit, technically? Even though it can be used in a totally cheap way. Qooy Loon: but U want Im kill er I give my best Tyrant Laffer: kasumi Ill adress your point here Kasumi Hashi: no, the two hit combo is and exploit, for example.. a really harmless one though Tyrant Laffer: I made that exploit I discovered it Kasumi Hashi: i know Tyrant Laffer: and teach it so if it dies here then thats a shame Bambii Boucher: may i ask why teach an exploit? Tyrant Laffer: because why not Bambii Boucher: thats not an answr? Qooy Loon: Exploit??? Aimee Congrejo: Two hit combo is that button mashing thing where you press two attack keys at once and it fires automatically? Tyrant Laffer: if you ask me about csi I will show you allowed or not no cencership you could say Bambii Boucher: ok, thast the answer I thought i heard Kasumi Hashi: Tyrant, you are free to do that, but you are going to get reactions like this, most of the community has a sense of fair play and purity in skill, and people that look for shortcuts just wont be as respected is all Tyrant Laffer: ohh btw I dont teach bushido Aimee Congrejo: Yah, I like to *know* the exploits not so I can use 'em but so I know why the hell I'm flying all over the place when I don't want to. LOL Bambii Boucher: you just said you did Kasumi Hashi: you just have a different philosophy, but im saying its way way in the minority Tyrant Laffer: sure whynot Ees Okey: Some would say that jumpslashing is an exploit, it's not part of the sword system really, it was discovered as a move that could be pulled off by tricking the script into slipping the attack mode in there between the two animations of the jump command. I *guess that launching move could be gotten used to, considering it's totally obvious that it's being set up.. Qooy you were crouching in a block everytime just before you'd do it. Tyrant Laffer: ask qooy he knows plenty of what you call exploits Ees Okey: But it *does push you and slash at the same time, and that is bs. Because you still can be block-slashed like that. Tyrant Laffer: I think the sword makers make the law Bambii Boucher: thats ok, does he earn respect rom the use of that knowledge? Tyrant Laffer: if they say no then its no Qooy Loon: O_O! Im want only have spar Tyrant Laffer: no space bar no Kasumi Hashi: Well there is a difference between a jump slash and something that resembles a hack, move enhancer, or anything else excplicitly banned... and the devs reaction to that was "wow, how cool" and now actually try to fix jump slash issues as if they were actual bugs Tyrant Laffer: ohh and thanx for the grill Bambii Boucher: the idea of any exploit in the world of Samurai is outrageous Aimee Congrejo: Qooy...communities have certain rules. Like honor. Stabbing someone in the back is without honor. Exploiting C:SI is without honor. ;) Kasumi Hashi: they wont encourage this im sure... and the last update was designed to fix "block bumping" Aimee Congrejo: Or something Qooy Loon: but every can lern Bambii Boucher: Any form of martial arts does not allow or accept it Tyrant Laffer: the way sl moves is not an exploit RobbyRacoon Olmstead: They certainly wont encourage it, no... Not sure what they will do, but encouraging wont be it. Kasumi Hashi: there is sorta a fairplay that seems kinda clear with stuff, at least to me Ees Okey: I got news for ya Robby... block-bumping still happens =O Tyrant Laffer: its a move RobbyRacoon Olmstead: I know, Ees >( Bambii Boucher: it is dishonerable in all apsects Ees Okey: Lol, I'm just chiding you a little... I never run into anyone that does it. Well except umm... yeah. RobbyRacoon Olmstead: I have done my best to fix it, but... It takes all four of us to do it, and even then SL just cant fix it 100% no matter what... Tyrant Laffer: bah lets agree to dissagree Illl keep teaching "exploits" you find a way to fight em or Ees Okey: Tyrant, what's the difference between you teaching somebody to push someone out of a block to slash them and using that move to push somebody out of a block to slash them? Bambii Boucher: then you teach in a dishonerable way Ees Okey: Even if the move itself is interesting and might even be fun, that block-slash IS an exploit. Arishia Nishi: He has already said he does not teach honor Tyrant Laffer: go to csi head quaters tell them vanguard has defruaded and pprove it Kasumi Hashi: hehe, calm down! Tyrant Laffer: because my clan is a csi clan Bambii Boucher: better to be looked upon with respect? Tyrant Laffer: easy for you to say miho Arishia Nishi: What I don't understand is this, why are you playing in a Japanese Samurai game if you don't use the honor code that goes with it Bambii Boucher: or do you not care? Kasumi Hashi: just so long as you know that every win you get will get an * by people, then do what you do but you should know thats what people will always think RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Well, Tyrant, I will pass along this chat log and let them see all the sides, and see what they say. I'll post it to the dev forums or something. Tyrant Laffer: sure and if they need a demonstration of the moves let them know Ill do it Aimee Congrejo: Arishia, exactly. If I see that someone is having problems blocking cuz of SL sucking, I don't attack. If they're cornered or stuck, I don't attack. If they're frozen in ready, I don't attack. Only thing I *do* do is kick 'em in the ass when they fall and they're getting up and brushing themselves off LOL Arishia Nishi: me too Aimee Kasumi Hashi: lol Tyrant Laffer: its funnjy everyone atacks but you cant stop this its part of how sl moves Arishia Nishi: but Tyrant sounds like all that is important, or happnening here for his clan is WINNING at any cost Kasumi Hashi: so is spacebar though Arishia Nishi: but he isn't listening to me here anyway Tyrant Laffer: Ill show kasumi if she wants what they are all upset about Kasumi Hashi: so is locking up Tyrant Laffer: its some moves I made up Kasumi Hashi: like if someone is crashing, do you kill them before their avie disappears? its part of SL/ ? Tyrant Laffer: yup Arishia Nishi: see it's all about winning Tyrant Laffer: put your sword away Ill show you Ees Okey: So in other words you're cheap and uncool.... oi. Well at least you freely admit it... Chat Range: Tyrant Laffer Tyrant Laffer: bs kas Kasumi Hashi: Tyrant, part of me doesnt even want to know how to do that stuff i dont need it for one, and i dont even want to be able to say i know how certain exploits are done Tyrant Laffer: yeah and all of me doesnt want to Kasumi Hashi: but you should show what you have discovered to Robby so they can determine if its legit or not in terms of balance and if a fix is possible RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Is it pretty much what Aimee was saying, or what? Tyrant Laffer: you llmake more sence of it then me let fight rob thats my name too :) rdy RobbyRacoon Olmstead: ready Chat Range: Tyrant Laffer, Qooy Loon Bambii Boucher, Arishia Nishi Qooy Loon: let Im spar u Chat Range: Kasumi Hashi, Aimee Congrejo, Ees Okey Arishia Nishi: all that matters is winning Nearby Avatars: CHU Kohime Mars Sirbu Chat Range: CHU Kohime Qooy Loon: let me spar 4 u Chat Range: Mars Sirbu Tyrant Laffer: cheater! lol Qooy Loon: O_O! CHU KOHIME: hello all Qooy Loon: hi CHU RobbyRacoon Olmstead: You take any damage? Tyrant Laffer: ohh the exploits Aimee Congrejo: Robby, wait, I missed it...did you just Voodoo Tyrant? LOL Tyrant Laffer: welll easy when not in combat RobbyRacoon Olmstead: No, Aimee... Aimee Congrejo: Aha ^^ RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Now I did Tyrant Laffer: see Chat Range: Arishia Nishi, Aimee Congrejo, CHU Kohime, Qooy Loon Tyrant Laffer: hold space you can block it CHU Kohime: who wanna spar? Qooy Loon: Im spar u Chu ready Tyrant Laffer: its all what you know and what you dont and your connect6 there is no exploit Aimee Congrejo: Ahhh...Qooy beat me to it CHU ^^ Tyrant Laffer: rdy Aimee Congrejo: Qooy, go spa! ^^ Combat Announcements: Hammer RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Hmmm... Tyrant Laffer: you know I have two of each sword maker but you RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Well... Since I only have one... That would be difficult >) Tyrant Laffer: When I get the 800 Ill buy your sword RobbyRacoon Olmstead: So what's the deal with you not taking damage? Tyrant Laffer: I do Combat Announcements: CHU Kohime has hastened Qooy Loon's journey to the next life Tyrant Laffer: you hit me I just dont give in RobbyRacoon Olmstead: I thought you answered differently just a bit ago. Tyrant Laffer: Im no scxripter just a fighter RobbyRacoon Olmstead: I'd be fucking amazed if someone could write a script that would affect that :) Aimee Congrejo: Tyrant...LOL...yah, I attack with only 2 HP left...I don't run ^^ RobbyRacoon Olmstead: fight? Tyrant Laffer: well ask LL those fucks wrote those Combat Announcements: CHU Kohime has hastened Qooy Loon's journey to the next life RobbyRacoon Olmstead: hehe.... Well... Actually.... good idea. Tyrant Laffer: I use sl mechanics as much as I can Chat Range: Arishia Nishi RobbyRacoon Olmstead: If you can call them mechanics... SL is damned unstable. Care for a quick duel? Tyrant Laffer: sure thing RobbyRacoon Olmstead: ready Tyrant Laffer: rdy Chat Range: Bambii Boucher, Aimee Congrejo, Kasumi Hashi OUTRIDER ZHAO: 2375 bytes free FREE MEMORY: 1788 8396 8458 Chat Range: Kasumi Hashi, Bambii Boucher, Tyrant Laffer Tyrant Laffer: Well IDK about tanking but speacils Aimee Congrejo: wb Robby ^^ Chat Range: Aimee Congrejo Tyrant Laffer: you know both yeah? RobbyRacoon Olmstead: I swear SL is gonna piss me off enough to quit :( Aimee Congrejo: Oh, yah, as soon as someone charges up a special I charge mine and rotate at 'em Usually a jumpspecial so I jump over their charging special and then come down at them Tyrant Laffer: ok Aimee Congrejo: Yah, no kidding Robby Chat Range: CHU Kohime, Qooy Loon Combat Announcements: Qooy Loon has been diced by CHU Kohime Aimee Congrejo: Tyrant, but these weird SL physics usually turn a jump counterspecial into a jumpdash Qooy Loon: ^^ CHU Kohime: Good Fight Qooy Loon: Im trind I have too muh spa too day thanx 4 spar Tyrant Laffer: well it is in the bottons Qooy Loon: u afk was kill me ^^ CHU Kohime: thanks :-D Tyrant Laffer: I dont think it was ment to move like this for everyone Aimee Congrejo: Yah, happens to me, happens to Tatsuki... Like I can't even run normally without boosting around Tyrant Laffer: its the conflict of bottons Aimee Congrejo: Think it happens more to short avies? Tyrant Laffer: hold back and forward then let go of one then the other yup Bambii Boucher: its you short lil legs Aimee Aimee Congrejo: Yah Tyrant Laffer: do it right though Aimee Congrejo: Yah I figgerd out block and back/forward is what makes me do it Nearby Avatars: Arishia Nishi Chat Range: Arishia Nishi Aimee Congrejo: So Tyrant...like this... Nearby Avatars: Soji Otsuka Tyrant Laffer: grr like im not helping Chat Range: Aimee Congrejo Arishia Nishi Nearby Avatars: Keiko Kuramoto Tyrant Laffer: or we can do it backwards Chat Range: Keiko Kuramoto Tyrant Laffer: rob RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Did it once... ? Tyrant Laffer: the rate you let them go matters the faster the better RobbyRacoon Olmstead: damnnnnnn Chat Range: Arishia Nishi, Keiko Kuramoto KEIKO KURAMOTO: who are you this morning ?? Aimee Congrejo: Yah, Robby, the physics that are happening are exactly the same as when you run and trip over a little prim Keiko Kuramoto: hey !! RobbyRacoon Olmstead: yeah... Bambii Boucher: ok off to bed all good night all Tyrant Laffer: thats what makes you jump they are confliccting Aimee Congrejo: Night! Chat Range: Arishia Nishi Tyrant Laffer: well I was thinking Aimee Congrejo: Yah, Robby, Watch...same physics as when you run and trip over a prim Tyrant Laffer: if ayame made the space a bllock or some other thing people couldent use it RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Cant. Tyrant Laffer: would that work? RobbyRacoon Olmstead: No... Scripts have no control over or even visibility of the space. Tyrant Laffer: but can they take over any botton? a script? Aimee Congrejo: *mews* *catsneeze~~* OTSUKA SHOUTS: Good morning all RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Nope. Only a predefined and very small set of keys. Movement keys, essentially, and that is it. Tyrant Laffer: no space then pr any tricks with space well that sucks RobbyRacoon Olmstead: Indeed. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: RobbyRacoon Olmstead, on Sunday 26th August, 2007